We compare open loop versus closed loop identification when the identi
fied model is used for control design, and when the system itself belo
ngs to the model class, so that only variance errors are relevant. Our
measure of controller performance (which is used as our design criter
ion for identification) is the variance of the error between the outpu
t of the ideal closed loop system (with the ideal controller) and that
of the actual closed loop system (with the controller computed from t
he identified model). Under those conditions, we show that, when the c
ontroller is a smooth function of the input-output dynamics and the di
sturbance spectrum, the best controller performance is achieved by per
forming the identification in closed loop with an operating controller
that we characterize. For minimum variance and model reference contro
l design cirteria, we show that this 'optimal operating controller for
identification' is the ideal controller. This then leads to a subopti
mal but feasible iterative scheme. Copyright (C) 1996 Elsevier Science
Ltd.