There is much debate about whether carbonatite magmas are derived in 'secon
dary' fashion through the advent of liquid immiscibility operating in the c
rust on evolved nephelinitic magma, or whether they are derived in the mant
le by direct partial melting of a carbonated periodtite. This paper briefly
summarizes the epsilon(Sr)-epsilon(Nd) data for carbonatites in general an
d evaluates the isotopic relationships between carbonatites and alkaline si
licate rocks in several well-studied complexes from Africa. Available data
for carbonatites younger that 200 Ma have a range in epsilon(Sr)-epsilon(Nd
) that is less than that found in oceanic basalts despite the fact that car
bonatites traverse lithospheres that are much more complex than those in th
e oceans. By contrast, for the Napak, Kerimasi, Shombole, Dorowa, Shawa and
Spitskop complexes the alkaline silicate rocks show greater variability an
d have more enriched epsilon(Sr)-epsilon(Nd) (higher epsilon(Sr), lower eps
ilon(Nd)) values than their associated carbonatities. In general, the carbo
natites have isotopic compositions that are closer to the more primitive si
licate rocks, such as melilitites and olivine nephelinites, than to more ev
olved nephelinites and phonolites. In the case of the Napak Complex the enr
iched component was introduced from the lower crust whereas for the Dorowa
and Shawa complexes of SE Zimbabwe, the component was derived from the sub-
continental lithospheric mantle. These relationships indicate that the carb
onatites must have existed as discrete magmas in the mantle and argue again
st a derivation by liquid immiscibility in the crust. although a contrast i
n isotopic composition does not rule out an immiscibility relationship at m
antle depths and early in the evolutionary history of a melilitic or nephel
initic magma, there is little experimental support for it. Existing experim
ental data indicate the immiscibility between carbonate and silicate liquid
s is favoured at low, crustal, pressures by that immiscibility is unlikely
to occur in realistic mantle melts or their derivatives at mantle pressures
. Many experimental data exists to show that magnesian carbonatite liquids
form as the near-solidus melts of carbonated mantle peridotite at depths in
excess of 75 km. We conclude that the calcitic dolomitic carbonatite magma
s discussed in this paper are best considered as being derived from primary
carbonatite magmas generated in the mantle by partial melting of carbonate
d peridotite.