We evaluate a number of the claims made in the debate between the pres
criptive and critical literature that surrounds 'excellence', with a p
articular focus on human resource and quality management. The critical
literature contains two positions, broadly a traditional control pers
pective and the other concerned with the structuring of meaning. The e
mpirical basis of the paper is an investigation of an HRM and quality
initiative in a leading supermarket company. The initiative embodies m
any of the prescriptions of the gurus of excellence. We present both q
ualitative and quantitative data collected from shopfloor and manageri
al staff. Our findings lend little support to the traditional criticis
m that, if management objectives are realised, they are achieved throu
gh some combination of sham empowerment, work intensification and incr
eased surveillance. Our evidence lends more support to the optimistic
view that modern techniques of quality and human resource management c
an benefit employees. We suggest that the alternative concern with the
way meanings are constructed has more plausibility, because the new m
anagerial discourse of quality has affected the attitudes of a signifi
cant number of employees towards customer service. However, there was
considerable variation in how employees received the programme's messa
ge and thus its effects are by no means uniform. Moreover, we encounte
r an unanticipated and previously unremarked consequence of managerial
discourses, that employees use these as resources in their struggles
with managers in order to bring managers into line with workforce expe
ctations.