I present galaxy models resulting from violent relaxation in the prese
nce of a preexisting black hole. The models are computed by maximizing
the entropy of the stellar dynamical system. I show that their proper
ties are very similar to those of adiabatic growth models for a suitab
le choice of parameters. This suggests that observations of nuclear li
ght profiles and kinematics alone may not be sufficient to discriminat
e between scenarios where a black hole grows adiabatically in the core
of a galaxy and scenarios where the black hole formation precedes gal
axy formation.