The randomization of the relative phase between two isolated supercond
uctors or superfluids which have been previously linked by a Josephson
junction is analyzed theoretically. Several time scales are identifie
d and their order of magnitude is estimated. It is concluded that the
relative phase can remain well defined for observable times in the cas
e of superfluids, while it is quickly randomized due to quantum spread
ing in the case of superconductors. Quantum randomization can however
be strongly slowed down if the two superconductors are coupled to a co
mmon normal metal reservoir. In the absence of noise, the relative pha
se may display a recurrent dynamics. Possible experiments to explore t
he phase dynamics are suggested.