In this note we reverse the usual process of constructing the Lie algebras
of types G(2) and F-4 as algebras of derivations of the split octonions or
the exceptional Jordan algebra and instead begin with their Dynkin diagrams
and then construct the algebras together with an action of the Lie algebra
s and associated Chevalley groups. This is shown to be a variation on a gen
eral construction of all standard modules for simple Lie algebras and it is
well suited for use in computational algebra systems. All the structure co
nstants which occur are integral and hence the construction specialises to
all fields, without restriction on the characteristic, avoiding the usual p
roblems with characteristics 2 and 3.