We introduce a deterministic, time-reversible version of the Ehrenfest urn
model. The distribution of first-passage times from equilibrium to non-equi
librium states and vice versa is calculated. We find that average times for
transition to non-equilibrium always scale exponentially with the system s
ize, whereas the timescale for relaxation to equilibrium depends on microsc
opic dynamics. To illustrate this, we also look at deterministic and stocha
stic versions of the Ehrenfest model with a distribution of microscopic rel
axation times.