Some 30 years ago, Trevarthen [1] introduced the idea of two separate visua
l systems, a focal system for fine motor acts and an ambient system for gro
ss body movements such as ambulation. More recent developments indicating a
natomically and physiologically separate pathways in primate vision [2] hav
e led to a different idea of separate visual systems, one for conscious per
ception and one for action [3]. It has received empirical support from seve
ral studies showing that pointing, reaching, and grasping can remain accura
te while the perceived position or size of objects is subject to illusory d
istortion [4-6], However, much of this evidence has been challenged on the
grounds of methodological flaws, particularly failure to match perfectly th
e conditions for verbal and motor tasks and failure to replicate results [7
-10]. Here we take advantage of the strong compression of perceived positio
n that occurs around the time of saccadic eye movements [11, 12], Under nor
mal lighting conditions, stimuli flashed briefly over a wide range of spati
al positions just before saccadic onset are neither seen nor reached for in
their veridical positions, but are compressed toward the saccadic target.
We validate the idea of separate systems by showing that, in the dark, subj
ects are able to point accurately to the correct target position, even thou
gh their verbal reports are still subject to compression.