I contrast Robert Veatch's recent liberal vision of medical decision-m
aking with a more rationalist liberal model. According to Veatch, phys
icians are biased in their determination of what is in their patient's
overall interests in favour of their medical interests. Because of th
e extent of this bias, we should abandon the practice of physicians of
fering what they guess to be the best treatment option. Patients shoul
d buddy up with physicians who share the same values - 'deep value pai
ring'. The goal of choice is maximal promotion of patient values. I ar
gue that if subjectivism about value and valuing is true, this move is
plausible. However, if objectivism about value is true - that there r
eally are states which are good for people regardless of whether they
desire to be in them - then we should accept a more rationalist libera
l alternative. According to this alternative, what if required to deci
de which course is best is rational dialogue between physicians and pa
tients, both about the patient's circumstances and her values, and not
the seeking out of people, physicians or others, who share the same v
alues. Rational discussion requires that physicians be reasonable and
empathic. I describe one possible account of a reasonable physician.